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IL-2 Sturmovik 1946 => IL-2 Sturmovik 1946 => Topic started by: AKA_Taipan on May 22, 2017, 10:50:57 am

Title: NEXT CAMPAIGN
Post by: AKA_Taipan on May 22, 2017, 10:50:57 am
Pick your poison for the next campaign gents but pick fast as we need to give Rel time to make it.!


Cheers

Tai

Title: Re: NEXT CAMPAIGN
Post by: AKA_Jericho on May 22, 2017, 02:32:38 pm
Hi Tai,

With Limited flying time looming I can fly with the AI.

S!J
Title: Re: NEXT CAMPAIGN
Post by: AKA_Taipan on May 22, 2017, 04:28:12 pm
Thanks Jer!.

Cheers

Tai
Title: Re: NEXT CAMPAIGN
Post by: AKA_Hangten on May 22, 2017, 06:53:35 pm
We never did a Fin Sovi campo  we be flying 1939planes right. Itwhould be different

S! Hang
Title: Re: NEXT CAMPAIGN
Post by: AKA_Relent on May 22, 2017, 09:54:40 pm
We never did a Fin Sovi campo  we be flying 1939planes right. Itwhould be different

S! Hang

Well, if the Finnish/Soviet campaign is the winner, there are two choices I would think:
- Winter war (1939/1940), Finland vs Soviet Union
- Continuation war (1941-1944), Finland w/German assistance vs Soviet Union

An early war would be a kick I suppose :).  Would probably not have many tanks on the Finnish side, and only early crappy light tanks on the Soviet side.  Mostly soft vehicles.
Title: Re: NEXT CAMPAIGN
Post by: AKA_TG on May 23, 2017, 09:58:50 am
I like snow and early plane models.

Some of the earlier maps may suffer from lack of detail. Hopefully this is not the case. :)




Title: Re: NEXT CAMPAIGN
Post by: AKA_Wayno on May 23, 2017, 12:30:25 pm
 8)So you want to fly the Brewster Buffalo? Cruises at 160 mph, max speed about 300mph. 2 to 4 .50's, bombs? Still it did well against the old Russian aircraft before 1939.White is boring after a couple of flights! That's what you get in the early war. In the "continuation" war you get German planes , Bf 109's.
Title: Re: NEXT CAMPAIGN
Post by: AKA_Ramstein on May 23, 2017, 04:51:11 pm
no one gave us the choice of the Spanish civil war... we have lots of planes and ground targets for those in il-2.
Title: Re: NEXT CAMPAIGN
Post by: AKA_Relent on May 24, 2017, 12:39:44 pm
10 votes so far - we have had 16 pilots flying this campaign, so 6 more participants should vote to get this wrapped up :)
Title: Re: NEXT CAMPAIGN
Post by: AKA_Taipan on May 24, 2017, 06:09:11 pm
Salute Gents,
If you have not voted yet, please do so.
This will allow Rel time to develop the campaign and reduce the campaign down time.
More importantly inquiring minds want to know!
I am still looking for one or two names to fly with the AI next campaign.  If no one other than Jer is keen on it then I will fly on the AI side.
It would be better to rotate the squadron members though so we can share flying time with each other.

S!

Tai
Title: Re: NEXT CAMPAIGN
Post by: AKA_Relent on May 25, 2017, 10:59:59 am
So you can fly with Gos, I can volunteer to fly with Jer.  Plus that way the human side won't have to hear me rant and rave on comms, give them a break! :)
Title: Re: NEXT CAMPAIGN
Post by: AKA_Taipan on May 25, 2017, 12:43:03 pm
LOL.  OK Rel your on the AI side next campaign :o
Title: Re: NEXT CAMPAIGN
Post by: AKA_Goshawk on May 25, 2017, 05:04:36 pm
I'll go along with that, provided Rel is restricted to flying against enemy battleships and heavy moving tanks only. No fair for Rel shooting down any other planes, trucks, fuel storage devices, sheds, half-tracks, pilots in parachutes, AI planes, AAA guns, tankers, destroyers, cruisers carriers, or anything that does not stop out in the open without trees covering them. Otherwise, he can shoot any other target of appreciable value, not listed above, but he is only able to fly .30 cal gun-equipped biplanes with bombs no larger than 50 pounds. In addition, he can fly anywhere he wants provided it's within a 25 mile radius of his own airfield. Now that I think of it, this applies to Jer, too, since he's of equivalent savagery to those of us lesser qualified.
I'm sure that everyone else agrees with this common-sense restriction.

Let's get started!!!!

 ;)

Gos
-the more permissive accipiter
Title: Re: NEXT CAMPAIGN
Post by: AKA_Taipan on May 26, 2017, 07:07:51 am
Well said Gos👍🏻
Title: Re: NEXT CAMPAIGN
Post by: AKA_Relent on May 26, 2017, 12:17:23 pm
I'll go along with that, provided Rel is restricted to flying against enemy battleships and heavy moving tanks only. No fair for Rel shooting down any other planes, trucks, fuel storage devices, sheds, half-tracks, pilots in parachutes, AI planes, AAA guns, tankers, destroyers, cruisers carriers, or anything that does not stop out in the open without trees covering them. Otherwise, he can shoot any other target of appreciable value, not listed above, but he is only able to fly .30 cal gun-equipped biplanes with bombs no larger than 50 pounds. In addition, he can fly anywhere he wants provided it's within a 25 mile radius of his own airfield. Now that I think of it, this applies to Jer, too, since he's of equivalent savagery to those of us lesser qualified.
I'm sure that everyone else agrees with this common-sense restriction.

Let's get started!!!!

 ;)

Gos
-the more permissive accipiter

LOL, while I appreciate the ego-inflating qualities of this post, you way over-estimate me as a threat! :)
Title: Re: NEXT CAMPAIGN
Post by: AKA_Goshawk on May 26, 2017, 02:47:51 pm
OK! OK! OK!
You're right, Rel. I may have been a bit too dramatic in my summation and recommendations noted above. So,,,
Just to show you that I am willing to be ultra-flexible and a bird-brain of highly impeccable moral standards as well as a willingness to put you on a fairer playing field,,,
I'll go along with a "pair" of .30 cal. machine guns on your bi-plane, however, no harmonizing or timing gear can be installed for them. That effectively doubles your firepower.

Gos
Title: Re: NEXT CAMPAIGN
Post by: AKA_Taipan on May 28, 2017, 03:49:41 am
Salute Gents,
If you have not voted please do so.
At present we have a tie between the Pacific and the Russian/Fin war.
If desired, those who have voted for other campaigns may change their vote for one of the above two campaigns to assist in breaking the tie.
Only votes cast in the physical poll will be counted.

Cheers
the other type of....
Tai
Title: Re: NEXT CAMPAIGN
Post by: AKA_Agilehunter on May 28, 2017, 10:19:33 am
removed my vote and re-voted, as requested
Title: Re: NEXT CAMPAIGN
Post by: AKA_Relent on May 28, 2017, 11:29:29 am
removed my vote and re-voted, as requested

Same here, looks like we're going to Finland! :P

Doing some quick research, some stuff on Wiki, will look some more...

Russo-Fin Continuation War: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_history_of_Finland_during_World_War_II#Continuation_War
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_Air_Force#Continuation_War_1941.E2.80.9344

I was thinking early-mid 1942 so we can make use of all the odd aircraft Finland used (plus a limited number of 109G's, Dornier 17's and Ju-88's), but it won't be so late as to make them "too" obsolete vs the Russian stuff.  However, since the Finns took up mostly defensive positions around December 1941 until mid 1944, it may make more sense to go with mid-late 1941 since historically that's when the Finns were on the offensive, taking back territory the Russians had previously controlled.  If we go with mid-late 1941, I could still add a very limited number of 109E/Do-17/Ju-88 aircraft even though the German stuff probably didn't get transferred to Finland until '42/43...

Feel free to post your thoughts here, would affect the decision! :D

S! Rel
Title: Re: NEXT CAMPAIGN
Post by: AKA_Taipan on May 28, 2017, 01:01:15 pm
Feel free to fluff it a bit for the fun factor Rel!
Just remember what Gos said and as XO I restrict you to a milk crate with cardboard wings and pea shooters for guns!!
I can send you the blueprints if you need them as I was using the prototype on Friday night :o

Cheers

Tai
Title: Re: NEXT CAMPAIGN
Post by: AKA_Hangten on May 28, 2017, 01:07:42 pm
S! all
ill volunteer to fly with Rel since I'm use too him bitching a lot  ;)

S1 Hangten


Title: Re: NEXT CAMPAIGN
Post by: AKA_Relent on May 28, 2017, 02:04:14 pm
S! all
ill volunteer to fly with Rel since I'm use too him bitching a lot  ;)

S1 Hangten

LOL :D
Title: Re: NEXT CAMPAIGN
Post by: AKA_Relent on May 28, 2017, 03:55:36 pm
My initial thoughts for the campaign...

IL2/46
Russo/Finland Continuation War Plane Set
1941

Finland:

Fighters
BF_109E4B
DXXI_SARJA4
F2A_B239
G50
H_75A3
HurricaneMkIa
I_153_fin
MS406

Bombers/ground attack
A_20B
BLENHEIM4
Do17Z_2
JU_87B2
JU_88A4

Transport
JU_52_3MG4E


Russia:

Fighters
I_153_2SHKAS_BS
I_16TYPE24
LAGG_3SERIES1
LAGG_3SERIES4
MIG_3SHVAK
MIG_3UD
PE_3BIS
YAK_1

Bombers/ground attack
IL_2_1940Late
IL_2_1941Late
IL_4_DB3F
PE_2SERIES1
PE_8_M40F (very limited, supply base only)
SU_2

Transport
LI_2
Title: Re: NEXT CAMPAIGN
Post by: AKA_Goshawk on May 29, 2017, 07:16:40 am
What about the lend-lease Hurricanes, Tomahawks and P-39's the Russians had during the early half of WWII? Let's get some (even if limited supply) into the action.

Rel noted: "I could still add a very limited number of 109E/Do-17/Ju-88 aircraft even though the German stuff probably didn't get transferred to Finland until '42/43"

If the people who insisted on this scenario really want this scenario, we should just have the plane sets that were available at that time. If, by chance they end up not liking the plane sets we are stuck with, maybe they won't request this scenario any more, or maybe the vote for this scenario won't win the next time around.

Gos
Title: Re: NEXT CAMPAIGN
Post by: AKA_Greywolf on May 29, 2017, 07:56:41 am
Since there seems to be a chattering for some late war aircraft in what Rel is calling the continuation war, can I propose a "What If" scenario...... 

How about those twin engines ....

P-38's and 410's ....   

Come on guys, can I get a little love with this idea?

Also Rel, if Hang is going to go AI with you and Jer .... better practice up on your HangTenese language skills. How he handles the italian sounding names in this campaign, his abilities to manhandle the finnish/soviet names should be impressive. I may want to pop in on TS just to listen in.
Title: Re: NEXT CAMPAIGN
Post by: AKA_Relent on May 29, 2017, 08:50:47 am
LOL Gos, you sound mad :)

I brought up the German bombers because without them the Finns would only have the Blenheims (the A20DB was a stretch too) for ground attack/bombers, so it was more out of necessity.  Also without a few 109s the fighter corp was lacking as well :)

The lend lease aircraft were introduced later as well, but I could add them if we go a little bit later.  I can adjust the above for the 1942 scenario I mentioned, which would probably upgrade the 109 to a G model.  I'd probably swap the A20 to the Russian side and the DB3 to the Finnish side since they flew captured/damaged/fixed ones.

 Nice try Grey :). I don't think P38's are going to make it to Finland, nor the 410 :).  I could add a few 110's to the Finnish side, although I haven't seen much evidence they flew there, but the Finns need more ground attack aircraft so maybe a possible stretch.

LOL - I'll brush up on my Hangtenese :)
Title: Re: NEXT CAMPAIGN
Post by: AKA_Goshawk on May 29, 2017, 09:41:12 am
Not mad, just don't like the Russian planes. According to Internet information (http://lend-lease.airforce.ru/english/articles/sheppard/hurricanes/):

"The Russians were asking for Spitfires, to the consternation of the RAF who were still building up their squadrons and phasing out the Hurricanes. It was decided at the Moscow Conference - First Protocol to send 200 aircraft a month between October 1941 and June 1942. These consisted mainly of Hurricanes, but also Tomahawk IIB's and P39 Airacobra. (Later the Russians were to receive over 1000 Spitfires but did not actually like them in the end). The Russians also received supplies of guns, tanks, clothing, rubber, engines, trains - anything used in wartime."

As far as the rubber was concerned, I'd have suggested as may rubbers as possible be sent to the Soviets, but this did not appear to have been done.

Gos
Title: Re: NEXT CAMPAIGN
Post by: AKA_Relent on May 29, 2017, 10:42:19 am
OK, round 2, how do you like them apples? :)

IL2/46
Russo/Finland Continuation War Plane Set
1942

Finland (lesser numbers of German aircraft)

Fighters:
BF_109G2
DXXI_SARJA4
F2A_B239
G50
H_75A3
HurricaneMkIa
I_153_fin
MS406

Bombers/ground attack/heavy fighter:
BF_110G2
BLENHEIM4
Do17Z_2
IL_4_DB3F
JU_87B2
JU_88A4

Transport:
JU_52_3MG4E


Russia (lesser numbers of US/UK lend lease aircraft):

Fighters:
HurricaneMkIIbMod
I_153_2SHKAS_BS
I_16TYPE24
LAGG_3SERIES11
MIG_3UD
P_39N
P_40SUKAISVOLOCH2B
YAK_1

Bombers/ground attack/heavy fighter:
A_20B
IL_2_1941Late
IL_2MEarly
PE_2SERIES1
PE_3BIS
PE_8_M40F (very limited, supply base only)
SU_2

Transport:
LI_2

Title: Re: NEXT CAMPAIGN
Post by: AKA_Taipan on May 29, 2017, 10:52:24 am
The poll is now closed.
First off to a chilly campaign in lovely Finland.
Get your wooly knickers out for inspection lads!
Jer, Rel and Hang will fly for the AI.
Then the following campaign will be the Pacific and we will select new folks to fly with the AI.
Get your sun cream and mozzie repellant out :o
Over to you Rel!

Cheers
Tai
Title: Re: NEXT CAMPAIGN
Post by: AKA_Relent on May 29, 2017, 12:20:57 pm
Thanks Tai - yep, already picked the airfields and did a small amount of road network work.  I'll see about adding trains.  Ships... I don't think there were any sea-borne invasions, but I can add some limited naval (i.e. capital) shipping on each side :).  I could add one small shipping convoy on the Red side so the island airfield on Kronstadt can be resupplied (other than air).  But I probably won't add any other harbors other than the shipping spawn point on each side, we'll see...
Title: Re: NEXT CAMPAIGN
Post by: AKA_Goshawk on May 29, 2017, 04:35:59 pm
Thanks, Rel. Looks really good!!!
 ;)
Title: Re: NEXT CAMPAIGN
Post by: AKA_Taipan on May 29, 2017, 06:15:39 pm
Can I have paratroopers for our side only? :o
Title: Re: NEXT CAMPAIGN
Post by: AKA_Relent on May 29, 2017, 08:55:05 pm
Can I have paratroopers for our side only? :o

Doh!

 :-X
Title: Re: NEXT CAMPAIGN
Post by: AKA_Rage on May 30, 2017, 05:32:37 pm
Pacific (with land bases and carriers) my pick..Rage
Title: Re: NEXT CAMPAIGN
Post by: AKA_Relent on June 02, 2017, 11:18:49 am
Pacific (with land bases and carriers) my pick..Rage

This will probably be the next campaign after Finland.
Title: Re: NEXT CAMPAIGN
Post by: AKA_Relent on October 08, 2017, 10:40:06 pm
With the Russo-Finland campaign almost half way complete, I was thinking that for the next one we could do an Okinawa 1945 campaign.  This would include carrier ops, probably just one carrier on the Japanese side, with 2 or 3 on the allied side.  Plus with the Japanese side, the AI would include kamikaze aircraft.

S! Rel
Title: Re: NEXT CAMPAIGN
Post by: AKA_TG on October 22, 2017, 02:39:55 pm
Sounds great Rel! I think all the guys would agree.

Title: Re: NEXT CAMPAIGN
Post by: AKA_Ramstein on October 22, 2017, 07:58:20 pm
With the Russo-Finland campaign almost half way complete, I was thinking that for the next one we could do an Okinawa 1945 campaign.  This would include carrier ops, probably just one carrier on the Japanese side, with 2 or 3 on the allied side.  Plus with the Japanese side, the AI would include kamikaze aircraft.

S! Rel

I made a lot of these maps of Japan 1945, I also made versions with tons of aircraft, versions with B29's with nukes, and cities in fireballs incendiary fires.. I still have them...
Title: Re: NEXT CAMPAIGN
Post by: AKA_Goshawk on October 23, 2017, 11:23:56 am
We're trying to keep the nukes off the campaigns and especially from NoKo and Iran. Besides, dropping a nuke on Saipan, Midway, Okinawa or similar islands, could cause them to overturn (so I've heard), drowning all the inhabitants and seriously messing up the plane counts on those island bases.

Gos
-The less radioactive accipiter  8)
Title: Re: NEXT CAMPAIGN
Post by: AKA_Ramstein on October 23, 2017, 03:32:49 pm
We're trying to keep the nukes off the campaigns and especially from NoKo and Iran. Besides, dropping a nuke on Saipan, Midway, Okinawa or similar islands, could cause them to overturn (so I've heard), drowning all the inhabitants and seriously messing up the plane counts on those island bases.

Gos
-The less radioactive accipiter  8)

at night the fires are pretty!!   8)
Title: Re: NEXT CAMPAIGN
Post by: AKA_Goshawk on November 09, 2017, 10:52:59 am
LOL!!!