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IL-2 Sturmovik 1946 => IL-2 Sturmovik 1946 => Topic started by: AKA_TG on May 30, 2017, 02:52:28 pm

Title: BOS (again)
Post by: AKA_TG on May 30, 2017, 02:52:28 pm
Ok
Guys its time to start thinking about flying more advanced sim. For me it turns out I can actually fly BOS, even with a wimpy GTX 560 ti and a 3.6GHz (slightly overclocked) CPU; obviously, all the guys I know have better systems than I. Please correct me if this is not the case and I will apologize profusely to you. I can get 50 fps most times with balanced settings and everything turned off.
The smoothness in which the air craft are moving about the sky looks perfectly acceptable to me.

Anyway, there was some chatter going on in the last week or so about the possibility of Making Friday nights for BOS exclusively.
Personally, I think Rel deserves a break with all the work it takes setting up the campaign (who could blame him) and (the idea is) by making it just one
day a week instead of two that this would lower the burden of responsibility and also give us all a chance to get hooked up and flying comfortably in the BOS sim.

There is the question of using the campaign generator in BOS, perhaps it would have to start out much weaker as in say some COOP missions that would each last about an hour and were strung together in a queue.?
Also where to fly. ?
Some want to go into the Wings of Liberty. I mildly would prefer a separate server , at least for the beginning part. I know some of the guys just want to fly the birds first, maybe practice some ground strafing and bombing , get used to navigation , touch and go's.
 
I think we all have this BOS installed and running except Duck. and Wayno? I can't be sure. Anyway, chime in if you need BOS, hope the BOS idea catches on. Obviously it is a totally different game from IL2 but I think it has potential to be a long term entertainer, especially with future upgrades.

Thanks for listening :)


Title: Re: BOS (again)
Post by: AKA_Ramstein on May 30, 2017, 03:18:52 pm
all is good, but I need a milder server... and stuff for older people... I need outside views of some sort..... and shorter missions/campaigns.... I guess number one to me is a less aggressive server.... Wings is for those that have the desire to go Rambo... IMHO

one night a week would be fine, so it leaves room for another  type flight sim... aka/DCS/IL-2/Il-2 BOS.... and other stuff.... I know several of us have other sims not flight related...
inside/outside hobbies... or just dumbed down TV time...

maybe have the usual optional days where if you meet up with others at other times...
Title: Re: BOS (again)
Post by: AKA_TG on May 30, 2017, 05:30:09 pm
I hear ya on the milder server thingmie.
Wings is just too cut throat for me.
Title: Re: BOS (again)
Post by: AKA_Relent on May 30, 2017, 06:48:40 pm
I'd be OK with reducing the IL2/46 campaign missions to once a week (e.g. Sundays).   That would make the campaign's last longer, so it would be a little less work (thanks for the thought TG :) ).  Also, from my perspective, the reason Friday and Sunday nights were eventually settled on for IL2/46 campaign mission nights is that they were the most popular nights!   And of course that was when IL2/46 was in it's heyday.

I know we've talked (including a quick poll) recently about using Monday, Tuesday and/or Wednesday for BoS/M, but that's during the week and often times guys can't stay on very long due to having to break to get to bed (esp. those from the eastern time zone).  If we could allow one of  those popular nights (e.g. Fridays) to be freed up for more modern sims, I can see the squad having a great time flying together in BoS/M and doing some huge squad based sorties (e.g. 4-5 ground attack pilots with 4-5 escorts) -  really making an impact on any of the servers we decide to fly on.

I understand Ram's point too, and we don't always have to fly on Wings of Liberty, which doesn't allow external views - although it does provide the map icon which really helps you instantly know where you are.  There is a US east coast server (forget the exact name) which does allow external views. Also, don't forget Gos set up BoS/M on the AKA server, so any/all of us can get acclimated while flying with squad buddies.  It's been a while, but I can try to revisit the missions I modified (from the original ones Gos and/or Scorp placed on the server).

Lastly, as TG hinted to, I think most of us on AKA have BoS/M, it's just that very few of us ever fly it together.  If we do, it's been sort of a segregated bunch of non-IL2/46 pilots flying it mostly, with a few of us also flying IL2/46 joining once in a while.  I've just gotten  back into it in the past week or so, and I'm really enjoying it again - it's been great flying with Scorp, Wiley, MattE (who I often see on DCS on Thursday's and Saturdays), and also Hang, TG, and Ram who of course also fly IL2/46.  I did terribly for a couple days, dying a lot, but like anything, after flying more and practicing, it's coming together and I'm feeling a bit more competent.  After jumping into the pristine BoS/M cockpits, it feels really dated when I jump back into the IL2/46 cockpits during the campaign missions

Don't get me wrong, I still enjoy flying the IL2/46 campaign missions.  However, I agree with TG, I'd really like to see us take the next step to get those that already have BoS/M but fly mostly IL2/46 back/more into it (and encourage those that don't have it yet to get it when it's on sale again!).

S! Rel
Title: Re: BOS (again)
Post by: AKA_Ramstein on May 31, 2017, 09:26:35 am
I have a Nvidia GTX1060 (corrected the 1060, next week I have appointment with eye doctor, I have Cataracts in my left eye, the right eye cataracts were removed a few years ago, been flying with one eye forever!) with 6GB Ram...

I see they are selling these for a lot of money still, at some stores
https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/products/10series/geforce-gtx-1060/

I got one for $240.00 (Newegg after rebate.) a couple months ago.

IMHO

Title: Re: BOS (again)
Post by: Recon on May 31, 2017, 05:22:04 pm
I'd be OK with reducing the IL2/46 campaign missions to once a week (e.g. Sundays).   That would make the campaign's last longer, so it would be a little less work (thanks for the thought TG :) ).  Also, from my perspective, the reason Friday and Sunday nights were eventually settled on for IL2/46 campaign mission nights is that they were the most popular nights!   And of course that was when IL2/46 was in it's heyday.

I know we've talked (including a quick poll) recently about using Monday, Tuesday and/or Wednesday for BoS/M, but that's during the week and often times guys can't stay on very long due to having to break to get to bed (esp. those from the eastern time zone).  If we could allow one of  those popular nights (e.g. Fridays) to be freed up for more modern sims, I can see the squad having a great time flying together in BoS/M and doing some huge squad based sorties (e.g. 4-5 ground attack pilots with 4-5 escorts) -  really making an impact on any of the servers we decide to fly on.

I understand Ram's point too, and we don't always have to fly on Wings of Liberty, which doesn't allow external views - although it does provide the map icon which really helps you instantly know where you are.  There is a US east coast server (forget the exact name) which does allow external views. Also, don't forget Gos set up BoS/M on the AKA server, so any/all of us can get acclimated while flying with squad buddies.  It's been a while, but I can try to revisit the missions I modified (from the original ones Gos and/or Scorp placed on the server).

Lastly, as TG hinted to, I think most of us on AKA have BoS/M, it's just that very few of us ever fly it together.  If we do, it's been sort of a segregated bunch of non-IL2/46 pilots flying it mostly, with a few of us also flying IL2/46 joining once in a while.  I've just gotten  back into it in the past week or so, and I'm really enjoying it again - it's been great flying with Scorp, Wiley, MattE (who I often see on DCS on Thursday's and Saturdays), and also Hang, TG, and Ram who of course also fly IL2/46.  I did terribly for a couple days, dying a lot, but like anything, after flying more and practicing, it's coming together and I'm feeling a bit more competent.  After jumping into the pristine BoS/M cockpits, it feels really dated when I jump back into the IL2/46 cockpits during the campaign missions

Don't get me wrong, I still enjoy flying the IL2/46 campaign missions.  However, I agree with TG, I'd really like to see us take the next step to get those that already have BoS/M but fly mostly IL2/46 back/more into it (and encourage those that don't have it yet to get it when it's on sale again!).

S! Rel

I would probably come back and fly if we did something like this.  I retired IL2/46 awhile back and have no interest to return to it.

Ram: I understand, a friendlier server would be fun - however, I just can't do externals.   Friendly map icons for nav I wouldn't mind, but being able to go outside your plane to see anything coming at you is just too arcade for me!  To me that makes it harder because you can't jump someone and honestly, that seems like the only time I get a kill online - lol
Title: Re: BOS (again)
Post by: HellCat (Sully) on June 01, 2017, 05:05:23 am
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I have a Nvidia GTX1050 with 6GB Ram...


I think you ment' to say GTX1060  ...I got a single fan version for a lot less ....point is you don't need a real high end card in your machine to enjoy BoS/M I don't remember what Wileys running but I do know it's not top of the line and hes running on Ultra settings and getting great frame rates.. I was running it on a 2mb GTX660ti (can buy used for $50 if you need a cheap upgrade) no problem on ultra settings as well...I'm sure a lot lesser cards could run it on high/medium so no worries there.

Been having a blast flying with the guys the last few weeks in this sim ....and for me the Liberty sever settings are a great combination of full real/arcade its not so hardcore that its not fun anymore and not so easy it's not a challenge anymore. Fly the TAW campaign that's rambo mode :).

I bought the game BOS back in pre-order before it came out for $99 or something just to support sim development and never really flew it till' recently and I gotta' say I'm impressed and like it more than CloD at this point ... I like the FM better ...to me it has a better feel of flight ...like less on a rail and more floating and movement.

My thoughts on the game if anyone cares ...might help someone on the fence.

Graphics
The graphics just look awesome ,for me the nicest looking of the 3 flight sims I run..with a lot of subtle touches ( have to wait a bit to spend more time in Normandy DCS) .....the optimization of the game seems great ,smooth with no real stutters or anything even when hitting a bunch of targets low,flak going off , explosions etc. When heading to target on a long run ...I'm always on auto with my head sticking out of the cockpit like a dog in a car looking around at everything ...clouds ,sun ,rain, trees all of it looks great.

ECM
Pretty user friendly and really only daunting when you first start to use it if your coming from 46' only,  but after going up a few times it's really a non factor, especially if you want to fill a ground attack role. Most flight leaders will call out their settings and after a bit you start doing it on your own.....There's no clickable cockpit but 46' uses should be good with that.....

Content
Good amount of content for the money really a great value to content ratio, especially if you wait for a sale ....a good amount of fighters and bombers to choose from.The Spitfire, P39 and A20 are on the way in Kuban.. and with the Pacific theater planned for the future I will be throwing money their way during sales to support the team, really looking forward to it. Soon as Moscow goes on sale again I'll grab it as well.

If your on the fence .....don't be ....just grab a theater during the next sale it's worth it , fun and not a bank breaker.....

Hope to see you out there S~

Title: Re: BOS (again)
Post by: AKA_TG on June 01, 2017, 07:57:42 am
One of the things I think may needs further study is the actual on-line campaign manager.
I'll assume that BOS is NOT like 1946 in that the strategy part of a campaign such as resources at airfields and towns, supply ship management and so on may not be available (at all) in its current state.

We do at least (with hsfx 703 )  get the feeling of these things like strategy and logistics in the campaigns that Rel, Grey and Agile, Scorp, Tai Gos ( chime in if I missed you) all know something of the campaign manager and the parser we use and some of the setup chores done in the background.  Because it's a software hack, it all is very fragile (that means "it works great when it works")  Also in defense of 1946 there are many ways to contribute to the cause of each side. Its all in the logistics of the game. Things like refueling, tanks holding ground, ships unloading supplies and airfields having resources delivered to them in real time, these all make the game play very interesting for strategists as well as ACM tacticians.

I do not think BOS will be the same, so its worth considering that because it is a different sim will have different ways of game play. Thus, campaign as we know it in 1946 may be impossible.

BOS is still mysterious and as yet unknown what the capabilities are, though perhaps it is further along that I am presuming.  But perhaps I am getting ahead of myself.



Title: Re: BOS (again)
Post by: HellCat (Sully) on June 01, 2017, 08:13:17 am
I don't know a whole lot about the manager yet but this online campaign ran last year ...pic shows some of the aspects that can be controlled as of a year ago.. https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/21888-inwar-interactive-war-tournament/ (https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/21888-inwar-interactive-war-tournament/)

(http://axeman.su/images/InWarPoster.jpg)


Title: Re: BOS (again)
Post by: AKA_Greywolf on June 01, 2017, 08:05:44 pm
UPDATE .................. OK Guys, I am willing to give it a go once again with BOS.

So, tonight I popped online. Found Bucky, Sully, Rage and Hangten all flying in BOS and I said, "what the heck, I will give the game another go and try to setup the new stick".  Once I started the game again .. (Haven't run it for about 6-7 months now) ... found out I had a small 5.5 GB update that I needed to let run before I could even setup the new stick.

So while the D/L was running, I listened in to the guys and most of them left for the night by the time my download completed. But I did get the game updated, I think I have most of my stick settings completed, tho I still may need to do some tweaking on my settings. Game recognizes my Track IR, and I managed to get in a quick flight offline to see if the basic settings were OK. Seems OK, even tho I spun out in a 190 and crashed and burned while dog fighting a P-40E on my one and only test flight.

I may still need a little hand holding till I get used to the key commands and other engine management things that I need to get accustomed to. Still not fond of these Russian birds, but I am willing to bite the bullet so to speak. 
Title: Re: BOS (again)
Post by: AKA_Relent on June 01, 2017, 10:22:02 pm
Good job Grey!  If you need help with the control mapping, I'd be happy to go over the various tabs/mappings to suggest which ones are the most important.

S! Rel
Title: Re: BOS (again)
Post by: HellCat (Sully) on June 02, 2017, 05:09:04 am
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Still not fond of these Russian birds, but I am willing to bite the bullet so to speak.

Here Grey  I fixed it for you ....you're welcome  8)

(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/18839329_1369730626450824_4723125610491582356_n.jpg?oh=45a9da51bbf0d017ef0c0d506ad36a95&oe=59A0822C)

Title: Re: BOS (again)
Post by: AKA_Relent on June 02, 2017, 07:42:58 am
LOL!

Or do you mean Old Crowski :P
Title: Re: BOS (again)
Post by: AKA_MattE on June 02, 2017, 09:20:29 am
I want to throw something out there regarding BOS and what is seen as the “Cut Throat” nature of some of the servers.  BOS has a very short rendering (visibility) distance, somewhere around 7 KM (a little over 4 miles) which means if someone spots you and you don’t see them they can be on you in less than a minute in a lot of cases.  This leads to a kind of a “luck” situation, if you see someone first before they see you because of the shorter distance you can more than likely get a good bounce (or the opposite).  Compared to a sim like COD that has a 11 KM rendering distance pilots with good scan/search discipline are much more difficult to bounce.  The absolute best way to counter the short rendering distance of BOS is to fly with a wingman and double your eyes!  There is a serious advantage to flying as a coordinated group in BOS because of the short rendering distance, with more eyes to spot targets the likelihood of an enemy getting a firing solution without being seen is substantially reduced.  Needless to say this is the same for all Combat filght sims, but in BOS with the contact spotting being more difficult, Squadron/wingman tactics and coordination is a true game changer.
I would say if you are going to fly by yourself then you should fly a server with externals (if that is what you are looking for) but if you are flying with the squad don’t be afraid of the advanced servers like Wings and TAW, just stay with your wingman!

MattE
Title: Re: BOS (again)
Post by: AKA_Scorp on June 02, 2017, 10:30:54 am
If I'm on my own in BoS I either fly very high or very low.  With all the ground clutter in BoS it is possible to blend in and possibly disappear, at high altitudes I think you can see the con-trails much further away than you see contacts so you have less chance of being bounced.

On WoL if you are doing ground attack get in and out fast, once the call goes out that an area is under attack expect fighters to show up pretty quickly.  I like the AC map icon in WoL, navigation is possible in BoS but once you get lost it is difficult to fine landmarks especially on the Winter maps.

In perfect conditions the visibilty distance is just under 10 km but a small dot at that distance is difficult to spot.  I am trying playing with the AA filtering to see if that helps with distance.  I makes things more ragged but dots are blacker and less blurred.  I started this because I flew with another pilot on TAW, he was in a Pe2 me in an I-16, I was having great difficulty keeping eyes on him where as he kept telling me exactly where I was and where to look to find him.  There obviously is someway to set your system up to make spotting easier, I just have not found it yet.  What we probably should do is when we fly together find out who can spot tgts first and then post their settings.
Title: Re: BOS (again)
Post by: HellCat (Sully) on June 02, 2017, 11:40:19 am
Ummmm....did you ask what his settings were ?  :D
Title: Re: BOS (again)
Post by: AKA_Scorp on June 02, 2017, 12:58:02 pm
Ummmm....did you ask what his settings were ?  :D

I only met the guy and were were just using the chat window for comms.  One thing I don't like about BoM is how difficult it is to Alt-Tab out and fiddle with TS.

Title: Re: BOS (again)
Post by: HellCat (Sully) on June 02, 2017, 01:53:44 pm
RGR that! Thats why I have it on a second monitor as well as any other programs I might fiddle with while flying ...like voice attack and such..