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Virtual Reality => Virtual Reality => Topic started by: AKA_Taipan on December 02, 2017, 10:28:34 am

Title: Flying in VR
Post by: AKA_Taipan on December 02, 2017, 10:28:34 am
Salute Gents,
Thought I would share this with you as I am still delirious with joy!
I just flew a Spit with my new VR set. :o
All I can say is that it was the most incredible virtual flying I have experienced.
While it takes a few minutes to get used to performing aggressive maneuvers and acrobatics, once you settle into it you wonder what the hell you have missed all these years.
You may also find that landing is very different due to depth perception. I confess, I floated on the first attempted landing and went around for a second attempt as touch down would have been to far along the runway. (As per good flying practice and our Ops Manual)
The strangest part is when you maneuver your guts feel the same way they do in a real plane. It's AWSOME!
I won't tell you what slipped out my mouth when the cockpit came up in VR.  It would make a sheep blush!
The experience is absolutely phenomenal.  I can't wipe the grin off my chops!
I had the good fortune to sit in a real Spitfire in the UK this year (Not sure if I mentioned that Gos?) and this was pretty close to doing the same.
Did I mention I sat in a Spitfire Gos? 
Anyway, at present the Oculas is fairly reasonable and very easy to set up.  The price is somewhere near a mid range video card.
Even if you did not do anything else with the VR set, the flying alone is worth every penny.
I may check out if I can fly online with VR and if so I may jump in once I get really comfortable with it in about 1000 hrs of training and shit eating grins!
If you have been thinking about treating yourself.  Just do it!
The XO highly recommends it, just remember to bring a relief tube and barf bag!!
Check six!

Cheers

Tai
Title: Re: Flying in VR
Post by: AKA_Goshawk on December 02, 2017, 01:55:19 pm
I'll have to look into that, but isn't there an issue with not being able to see your keyboard and MFD controls while wearing that mask? Also, is there room for glasses for those of us who must wear these things?
Curious birdbrains want to know.

Gos
Title: Re: Flying in VR
Post by: AKA_Taipan on December 02, 2017, 07:10:32 pm
You could go without the MFD or move it to where you know it is.
I have flown well without the MFD in VR and by touch
With regards to glasses, there was something on the web site to answer that but I didn't read it

Cheers

Tai
Title: Re: Flying in VR
Post by: AKA_Clutter on December 02, 2017, 10:07:24 pm
OK, I'll jump in here, as I can see I have been tardy.

I got on Oculus Rift at the end of August.

The good think about it is that YOU ARE IN THE COCKPIT.  The bad thing is that YOU ARE IN THE COCKPIT.

to look be hind you, you actually have to look behind you!.  That is 180 degrees.  No cheating setup with Track IR.

I have been flying DCS, BOS, and Elite Dangerous.

The graphics aren't as good as on a flat screen of course and the resolution at times is less than desirable, but Tai you are correct, the feeling of being in the plane can't be described.

In BOS I do have more difficulty telling what a plane is than others.  Not sure yet if they can see them before I do or not.

We will have to go up sometime and have a 1v1 VR dogfight.  :-)

Flying the helicopters in DCS is a BLAST!!

Gos - I will post more about glasses tomorrow.  I wore mine at first, ended up with some scratches on my glasses AND the VR lenses.  I did buy a set of prescription inserts for the OR and they work well.

Title: Re: Flying in VR
Post by: AKA_Goshawk on December 03, 2017, 11:09:11 am
Thanks, guys. This is good information for those of us who might be thinking of obtaining the VR equipment in the future.
Title: Re: Flying in VR
Post by: HellCat (Sully) on December 03, 2017, 12:01:55 pm
I got in on the Pimax kickstarter https://www.pimaxvr.com/en (https://www.pimaxvr.com/en) Supposed to get it in January ...higher res and field of view ...can't wait to give it a go ....thanks Tai!

also check this out to see if your PC can handle it

https://www.roadtovr.com/how-to-tell-pc-virtual-reality-vr-oculus-rift-htc-vive-steam-vr-compatibility-tool/ (https://www.roadtovr.com/how-to-tell-pc-virtual-reality-vr-oculus-rift-htc-vive-steam-vr-compatibility-tool/)
Title: Re: Flying in VR
Post by: AKA_TG on December 03, 2017, 03:40:25 pm
I'm also wondering about the glasses part myself.

 I am extremely farsighted making for coke bottle glasses. Good for hunting with a rifle but nothing else in the real world.
Seeing a screen up close is probably impossible for me without serious correction lensing.

I think I heard that nearsighted glasses work far better with helmets. and visual goggles.

Anyone know anything ?
Title: Re: Flying in VR
Post by: AKA_Clutter on December 03, 2017, 06:31:15 pm
OK, a little more about the glasses and the Oculus Rift.

The literature states that you can use glasses and cautions to not let them touch the lens as it may cause damage.  My experience is that it WILL cause damage. I have since seen other post on Redit and such that others have experienced the same thing.

When I first got my Oculus Rift, I wore my glasses for about 25-30 hours worth of play time.  At that point Jane noticed that my glasses were scratched.  When she told be that, I looked at my Oculus Rift lenses and they too were scratched.  Now that are still usable and I don't notice unless there is a very bright light from a certain angle.  I contacted Oculus Rift (as well as some research on the web) about how they could be repaired or replaced.  Bottom line is there isn't any way to repair them and then can't be replaced.  I can't believe that they didn't design in a method of replacing the lenses given how delicate they are.

I did read where other had place plastic lens protectors over the lenses.  These are similar to what you put over your phone screen.  Oculus Rift did not recommend doing that.

My eyesight is such that I need bifocals, but neither is too terribly bad.  My prescription in fairly mild.  So after I noted the scratched lenses, I played without my glasses for the next 5 - 6 weeks.  It worked OK but things were fuzzy.


I also read where the general focal length is something like 1.5 or 3 feet. I don't remember exactly, but it is on that order.  Something like getting glasses make for your computer screen.

There are some solutions out there.  There are a couple of companies that make prescription glasses inserts for the Oculus Rift.   I did get a pair from VR-Lens.eu (https://vr-lens.eu/ (https://vr-lens.eu/)).  I received them just before Thanksgiving and have to say they make a world of difference.  Things are much better than without them.  They snap into the Oculus Rift fitting over the existing lenses.  I don't notice them a lot.  Sometimes I feel them on my eyebrow, but that tends to be when I put them on.  I think that they were well worth the money.  Now don't get me wrong, they will not make the resolution better in the oculus Rift, it will just sharpen them as much as possible.

There are other companies that do the same thing.  Here is one review that compares two different companies. https://www.reddit.com/r/Vive/comments/5q4x97/comparison_between_vr_lens_eu_and_vr_lens_lab/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/Vive/comments/5q4x97/comparison_between_vr_lens_eu_and_vr_lens_lab/) 

If you are interested PLEASE do some additional research.


Title: Re: Flying in VR
Post by: AKA_Goshawk on December 04, 2017, 08:38:32 am
Clutter, Thank you!
Excellent information to help others be well prepared for the unexpected while making this high-end purchase.

Gos
Title: Re: Flying in VR
Post by: AKA_Taipan on December 04, 2017, 07:03:55 pm
You could also go with a prescription pair of contacts if you eyes are suitable.
I tried DCS this afternoon in a chopper over Lost Wages as Clutter suggested!
Thank you for that suggestion.
Incredibly, I actually flew it better than in 2D (which is not that good by the way) and it was a real pleasure.
More to the point I did not smear myself all over Nevada when landing over half a dozen times as I found the depth perception a lot easier.
Low flying over the roofs, trees and following lorries was very relaxing! (I think I'm sick) :o
If I get time this week, I am going to try a few of the other modules I have if real life does not interfere!
All hail VR flying!

Cheers

Tai
Title: Re: Flying in VR
Post by: AKA_Clutter on December 04, 2017, 08:06:19 pm
Yea, contacts were an option.  Just didn't think I wanted to do that as I haven't ever had them.  Only got glasses when I was 35.

I have flown the helios the most, but have also done the F-5E and A-10C.

o/
Clutter
Title: Re: Flying in VR
Post by: HellCat (Sully) on December 05, 2017, 03:35:58 am
You could also go with a prescription pair of contacts if you eyes are suitable.
I tried DCS this afternoon in a chopper over Lost Wages as Clutter suggested!
Thank you for that suggestion.
Incredibly, I actually flew it better than in 2D (which is not that good by the way) and it was a real pleasure.
More to the point I did not smear myself all over Nevada when landing over half a dozen times as I found the depth perception a lot easier.
Low flying over the roofs, trees and following lorries was very relaxing! (I think I'm sick) :o
If I get time this week, I am going to try a few of the other modules I have if real life does not interfere!
All hail VR flying!

Cheers

Tai


Stop!!! Your making the wait unbearable!
Title: Re: Flying in VR
Post by: AKA_Taipan on December 05, 2017, 04:44:32 am
ROTFLMAO.
Sorry for the upset Sully!
If its any consolation, there is a down side to VR flying if it makes you feel any better.
I have found that you have to stop VR flying at some point during the day, return to the daily grind and do shite other bastages want you to do! :(
Hope that alleviates the wait somewhat and provides some penance on my part.
 :o


Cheers

Tai
Title: Re: Flying in VR
Post by: HellCat (Sully) on December 05, 2017, 05:13:30 am
ROTFLMAO.
Sorry for the upset Sully!
If its any consolation, there is a down side to VR flying if it makes you feel any better.
I have found that you have to stop VR flying at some point during the day, return to the daily grind and do shite other bastages want you to do! :(
Hope that alleviates the wait somewhat and provides some penance on my part.
 :o


Cheers

Tai


LMAO!
Title: Re: Flying in VR
Post by: Recon on December 05, 2017, 06:41:24 pm
Glad to see people trying this - I've heard BOS is done really well.

My only concern is, as you say, the effort to be looking back all the time, etc...

But man, it sounds awesome - I hope to try it someday!
Title: Re: Flying in VR
Post by: AKA_Clutter on December 05, 2017, 07:37:23 pm
Yea, looking back can be a pain in the neck (pun intended) but then again it was not easy.  At times, I almost wish I have handle grips to help with that.

I do think that my SA is better and a little easier to predict where the plane might be.

My guess is that this will be much bigger thing in about 4 - 6 years.  I am also guessing that it will always require a PC toward the top end.

Clutter
Title: Re: Flying in VR
Post by: HellCat (Sully) on December 06, 2017, 03:25:58 am
One way to combat that they say to use a swivel office chair. Start looking back by swiveling that direction first ...
Title: Re: Flying in VR
Post by: AKA_Big10 on December 06, 2017, 06:33:33 pm
This really has my interest up. I see that Amazon has the Rift for $399. Is this the latest one?
https://www.amazon.com/Oculus-Touch-Virtual-Reality-System-pc/dp/B073X8N1YW/ref=dp_ob_title_vg

Title: Re: Flying in VR
Post by: AKA_Clutter on December 06, 2017, 07:04:01 pm
Big_10,

That looks to be the laest.  Oculus Rift has been runnig a sale for some time.  This is whai got in August.

This is one of two companies that make lenes for vr sets.  The other is vr-lend.eu (See my thread above).  I went withvr-lens. Eu and am pleased.


I am interested to see how the Pimax works.
Title: Re: Flying in VR
Post by: AKA_Big10 on December 06, 2017, 07:14:06 pm
My apologies Clutter, I must have skimmed over yours talking about the lens for the Rift. I like the price of the Rift now, I am afraid the Pimax will be out of my budget.
Title: Re: Flying in VR
Post by: AKA_Clutter on December 06, 2017, 08:17:31 pm
No apologies necessary.  Besides it helps to point the options out.

I haven't looked at the price of the Pimax as I have the Oculus Rift.  I think that may be part of the Oculus strategy.  Capture the market by mass numbers.

NOt sure that will work but ... ....
Title: Re: Flying in VR
Post by: AKA_Big10 on December 07, 2017, 10:43:19 am
Does it actually feel like you are indeed in the cockpit flying. Stand up and you would loose your balance.

Is it worth getting or is it more of a novelty item. Are the graphics okay with the rift as it is now.

If you were to use it in multiplayer, how far away can you easily make out another aircraft?
Title: Re: Flying in VR
Post by: AKA_Freddy on December 07, 2017, 11:37:46 am
Hi all, I can perhaps add something on the glasses question,    I just got the Vive and after determining if my glasses frames would fit into Vive(at the store)  I bought it.    I went to my eye glass place locally and she lent me 3 pairs of regular reading glasses of higher strength 4.00 , 4.5 and 5.00,  they did not seem to make much difference.  My regular glasses are progressives which is not that good,, so far (only had on my head a few times)  just regular reading glasses seem to sharpen things up ok..  I am not sure what level of sharpness to expect even if my eyes where totally normal.   So after I get the resolution issues taken care of, I can then work on what glasses to wear.    I have until end of Jan. to return this Vive it it does not seem worth the money.     Other than how to access key commands and map things out on stick or throttle,, my little experience is quite immersive.

Cheers all and

Thanks
Title: Re: Flying in VR
Post by: AKA_Clutter on December 07, 2017, 12:38:36 pm
Does it actually feel like you are indeed in the cockpit flying. Stand up and you would loose your balance.

Is it worth getting or is it more of a novelty item. Are the graphics okay with the rift as it is now.

If you were to use it in multiplayer, how far away can you easily make out another aircraft?

You certianly get a cramped feeling in the cockpit and I have reached out to flip a switch several times.  I do think that i am more tired after flying n hour in VR than with  TrackIR and the flight sim.  In VR you dont have any interaction with the ouside invironment (mostly).  Generraly you can't stand up in the cockpit and when I have (Huey on the ground) I dont think you would every feel unbalanced because your standing on the floor.  Overall to meit feels like iam on the cockpit/plane and I fid it more immersive.

Reolution - It is much degraded over my 1440p 27" monitor.  I can readthe gages, but gey are fuzzy.  Some of the A10c MFD text is difficult to read. As for spotting planes I think the distance may be reducd but am not sure.  The other day, Matte and I were flying WOL in BOS and I spotted the planes first twice.  Thete cpukd be many reasons fir this.  One thing that is CERTAINTY true is that plane recognition is much mire difficult in VR

Do is it worth gettingor more of anovety item?  That is a very personal question.  I think is is boderline.  Thrud has a oculus roft DK1 and doesn't fly it due to resolution.  Me ?  I will probaly keep flying with it since I am not good a A2A and I really enjoy the immersive feeling.  I do think things will chane once the resolution increases.

Hope this helps.
Title: Re: Flying in VR
Post by: AKA_Big10 on December 07, 2017, 05:14:54 pm
Thanks Clutter, that did help a lot. I will hold out and see what comes of the Pimax. Thanks again.