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Offline Recon

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Come to IL2
« on: July 21, 2018, 09:47:00 am »
I don't get the infatuation with 1946, if you fly together with your squad, you can see things better, coordinate better.  It's a change, and you have to give change a chance, sure it's harder at first, then it becomes the norm.   1946 was like that, people didn't come over because the previous sim was easier or better, etc... and now it's the norm.

Plus with Bodenplatte coming soon, you'll have the p38, p47, p51 - time to switch and move on fellows...

I have two video cards I'll give away - a 480GTX and a AMD 9500 Sapphire - worked fine for me for last couple of years.

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Re: Come to IL2
« Reply #1 on: July 21, 2018, 09:47:30 am »
So, in response - list the reasons you don't fly IL2.

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Re: Come to IL2
« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2018, 01:04:39 pm »
1. The bullshit ground handling characteristics. And don't give me that shit about you got to hold your stick back, and stick your tongue out to the side and squint your eyes. I feel like i am on ice sometimes. Its over done and a pain in the ass.

2. The landings. LOL I feel like the Spitfire in Dunkirk that glided for 3 hrs. And the way you bounce when you land. Go ahead and tell me I cant land.

3. The ability to spot contacts reliable. My eyes are fine and I still have problems with it. I can only imaging our older and more wiser members trying to see shit.

4.Strafing ground targets and the wind. WTF, are we flying in straight line winds all the time. Look at the Wind sock. Give me a break.

5. The only way you are going to get the AKA as a whole to fly that game is a setting like we have with the 1946 campaign. I have seen too much funny shit in that game to call legit players.

I fly it from time to time Recon but I still enjoy 1946.  I wont reply in the other thread and will cover it here. I don't mind a good challenge but what I do mind is being gang bang by the blue side. Most of the time there is a decent numbers difference. There is no challenge to it. The Russian planes just do not do it for me and does not keep my interest. I do not like the spitfire and the way it handles. CLOD spits so much better.

We will see what happens with the American birds but if they screw them up good luck getting and keeping guys interest.

Recon, I dont see the challenge when I am flying red and have 5 109s jump me. TAW really needs to figure out a balance system.



 

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Re: Come to IL2
« Reply #3 on: July 21, 2018, 02:19:08 pm »
I dont think you will ever get the whole AKA to fly BOS.. It is a different animal.. I do like alot of it..but some of it is just stupid shit..ground handling and landing.. GMAFB..the spotting contacts is one of the most disappointing thing i have in the game ATM. and like 10 said..i dont trust half the people i fly against in TAW and in other severs..so much shady shit happens..like 10 said as well..want the squad to fly it, going to have to be an internal setup or against a know trusted squad..and the settings will have to be relaxed or people just not going to fly....My opinion the more people point fingers at the folks who like to play 46. the longer we did our heels in and say FO!! ;D ;D

And yes I have every plane beside the school bus and Bodenplatte. I fly the game regularly and so do otheres in either AKA normal or coconuts normal.
« Last Edit: July 21, 2018, 02:22:23 pm by AKA_MoGas »

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Re: Come to IL2
« Reply #4 on: July 22, 2018, 06:59:44 am »
Thanks for the feedback. 

I agree ground handling is a pain!  I'm not so great at taxi and landing but luckily it's a small time of the flight experience as a whole!

Spotting things: I'm blind as well lol but I don't really find it too much different than 1946.  Honestly I quit flying fighter in 46/CLOD/BOS back in the Forgotten Wars time because I got fed up trying to follow aircraft especially against the ground!  BOS doesn't seem too much different. I sorta think all the flight Sims are like that.  I fly mostly bomber now and it's fun.  On spotting I guess it's more to me of do you want to play just as an arcade game style or the challenge of finding enemy.  I do feel if the squad sticks together as a group that it helps.  I thank guys like Rel and Matte for being such good navigators! It's a skill imo.  To me that is why you fly together, just like real life - the more eyes together the better!

I think most of that still is just going through the adjustments of change - it takes a few months but once you make the leap you finslky move on.

I agree on finding something as a squad together outside of TAW.  My strong opinion is that it doesn't and won't happen as long as the squad is splintered - why try when you know 20 out of the 30 guys that fly won't fly anything you make anyway ?  Scorp and I built the 46 system you guys fly today and the motivation was to make it something we could all fly together back then for our 609 pilots.  Things like TAW mostly provide the guys that fly it an opportunity to fly together as a team.   All wars are tough, they tend to bring in the avid and best pilots in the world.  Wasn't any different in 1946 days!  TAW for the guys that fly together is often like a good coop mission - we fly to targets together, take off together, land together etc...

Something could probably be built but again, why do the effort ? The guys that built what your flying now don't even play that game they build it mostly for the guys that won't switch over ?

I see the squad as a group of good friends, I enjoy all you guys, I just wish we were not so fractured as a group. 

In the end people will do what they enjoy doing, and please don't dig in and resist change!  Our hobby is one with only specialized group of pilots, mostly older imo, with limited number of options - right now BOS is in its golden age, active developers providing new content all the time - it's like the heyday of 1945 right now !!!

Oh well, I made my pitch. I don't know what other US based squadrons are doing nowdays - maybe we are a dieing breed. 

Hope to cya all in the skies!

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Re: Come to IL2
« Reply #5 on: July 22, 2018, 07:31:10 am »
I will investigate more into generators and coops.  Perhaps a good baby step into seeing that BoX is a fun game to fly is to fly some coops together.   Meanwhile...


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Re: Come to IL2
« Reply #6 on: July 22, 2018, 07:47:42 am »
Recon we tried to organize a squad BOS night even voted on it. We swapped our Friday night 46 time for it..hell I voted for it, because quite a few people voted for it...we didn't get near the numbers to show that voted. It was dead..even the main BOS players were nowhere to be found. That caused some grumble. Turned out we took away the 46 fun for a lot of or members. Maybe we will have a vote later. One thing that I will suggest here and I will bring it up if we decide to vote again. Is that ONLY the regular flyers that fly the 46 mission can vote in it. Not like last time where members voted to take away the Friday night mission that haven't played 46 in years..that's not right.

I like some of the setup in TAW, but it really really needs some sort of balance for it...the way it is now, do you really like going up against that much of an imbalance in sides? I don't.

You can't force people to play something you have to let them decide. . Maybe I need to start a #movement for the 46 group. Call it #metoo46 :D :D


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Re: Come to IL2
« Reply #7 on: July 22, 2018, 09:37:43 am »
I enjoy flying in BOX as much as the next guy, but I do find it hard to spot enemy planes and after spotting the dots, it takes a lot longer to be able to pinpoint the identifying characteristics before the buggers are shooting me. Other than that, graphics are very nice.
Ground looping is way too overmodeled but takes a LOT of practice to be able to manage it.
I do prefer the flight and handling characteristics of the planes in ClOD, but in honesty I have also flown it a lot more than BOX.

I'm anxious to try the American-built planes, but am afraid they're as porked in BOX as they are in 1946.

I agree that a night of coop missions would probably help get some more of us to participate more regularly so we can get the experience of flying "with" someone that can assist in the learning curves of the game (spotting, identifying, landings, taxiing, engine management, etc.) Once some experience is obtained, perhaps more will fly it.

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Re: Come to IL2
« Reply #8 on: July 22, 2018, 12:46:28 pm »
I'm not sure how to answer that Mo.

I stopped flying because everytime I come to fly guys are flying 46 so I left and took a break.  Then I come back and did some TAW and had regulars like Scorp, Hang, Rel, me etc. Was good for awhile.  Guess I left when the night changed. When I flew it was good teamwork, but just typically a good night was 4-5 of us flying together

But then I see guys are flying some red, some blue, so it didn't sound very unified.  I do the hard ground pounding and get shot up with no escort most nights, just hoping not to get seen.

I agree not to take away from what people enjoy, that would be bad.

I just wanted to say that if people flew it TOGETHER then the change would be hard but good and then we all fly together.

1946 was hard to see thing back in the day I think it's just how flight Sims are - hard to ID but my experience is you adjust with experience.

Well goal wasn't to put down 46, fantastic sim, just think it's heyday was around 10 years ago - just was hoping at some point we'd move forward as a squad and be more unified, but I guess variety is good

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Re: Come to IL2
« Reply #9 on: July 22, 2018, 02:19:01 pm »
We will undoubtedly move into BOX with time, and as some more of the members acquire it, but it will likely be similar to the way the other sims came into regular usage.

Once the majority get into the sim, the ones that drew them into it invariably decide to move on to something different, such as what happened with EAW and IL_2 Sturmovik, IL-2 and ClOD, Clod and ATAG, then ClOD/ATAG to BOX, and who knows where the current BOX players will go, likely to TAW, and maybe eventually DCS. It shows that be the time the regulars get to the newer sims, the ones that could really help give them a hand in learning it have moved on.

This isn't meant as a gripe, just what I observed back in the days and somewhat currently. I have to really hand it to Blasto, though. He's still doing ATAG WITH cLod and representing the squadron quite well there. However, he has trended to using the ATAG channel for his TS comms, so you will not find him on the squadron's TS channel.

In a way, it's not a bad thing that there is diversity within the squadron, especially when there are several pilots who do more than one sim and these guys are the ones that can usually be counted on to train the newbies when they come in.

So, to help encourage others to participate, when is the regular night for the guys to fly on the AKA server (not on TAW) where we can learn this sim together?

For those wanting to get into ClOD, we are still doing a pretty good schedule for Tuesdays and Thursdays at 1:00 Pacific for those available.

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Re: Come to IL2
« Reply #10 on: July 23, 2018, 06:01:32 am »
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Once the majority get into the sim, the ones that drew them into it invariably decide to move on to something different, such as what happened with EAW and IL_2 Sturmovik, IL-2 and ClOD, Clod and ATAG, then ClOD/ATAG to BOX, and who knows where the current BOX players will go, likely to TAW, and maybe eventually DCS. It shows that be the time the regulars get to the newer sims, the ones that could really help give them a hand in learning it have moved on.

EAW 1988
il2 1946 came out in 2001 . (17 years ago)
CloD - complete disaster, no one touched it until it was modded. 
il2 box .  2012

I think if guys want to learn while people are playing, they might want to try picking it sooner than 10-15 years after the release date  :)

We aren't moving on that quickly . :)



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Re: Come to IL2
« Reply #11 on: July 23, 2018, 07:03:08 am »
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Re: Come to IL2
« Reply #12 on: July 23, 2018, 10:32:24 am »
I like the sounds of that a lot.
Is it feasible and will it work as intended?
How about we use Tuesday nights, the old squadron practice night to test it out?

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Re: Come to IL2
« Reply #13 on: July 23, 2018, 10:37:54 am »
Even though 1946 came out 17 years ago it is stil fun and I enjoy it more over IL2.

You want to get a IL2 campaign going, fine, but to get the majority of the squad to play that sim you will need icons on.

I can't even get some to fly Wings of liberty with me and that's fine, I understand fully where they are coming from. This sim is a bitch to fly and learn. There is something about it that I just don't like, and I have been flying this from release date.

Sorry we are not moving at the pace you would like but that just shows you how much love we have for an old sim.


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Re: Come to IL2
« Reply #14 on: July 23, 2018, 10:51:33 am »
Yeah, I understand - if you really enjoy something, doesn't matter how old it is.   It is fun.

Like, I really liked 46, and actually I'd probably play it more, but I got fed up with instant head shot gunners and crap like that lol.

I'm ok with icons as a starter,  I'm not sure if IL2 BOS lets you customize those on the server like 46 did - maybe some sort of limited amount such as a red or blue dot.   I think what kills the immersion for the guys that don't like it is that it takes up like half and inch of font on the screen with all the information!   So maybe some sort of compromise would appease the hard core guys.     I personally don't like externals, like I won't play with externals or padlock because that makes it nearly impossible to surprise someone and that is half the game.

I do agree we have to lower the barrier to entry or people won't try it.