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First AKA training mission on BOS
« on: March 02, 2019, 09:03:39 am »
My input on last night's mission follows:

We had at least a dozen pilots show for the first BOS mission using the AKA Expert server. The only thing missing was someone who was willing to step up and take control of the mission planning, so Taipan took the lead and led us on a few missions against allied targets. Having to step up on the moment was implemented extremely well and we stayed together to perform the mission with very little difficulty.
Methinks we need to have someone on each side (Allied and Axis) who is willing to come up with a mission plan and make it available here on the forum.
This week we flew Axis. Next Friday, we will fly Allied.
Anyone interested at trying their hand at mission planning against German targets?
Likewise, is anyone interested in being in charge for the Axis missions?
Each week we switch to the opposite side to gain experience with all the aircraft available.
In looking at the layout, it would be nice to have the leader of the upcoming mission to decide ahead of time what the mission target will be and plan accordingly. We had a mix of bombers and fighters covering and picked our targets at random as we flew towards enemy lines. This worked good, especially off the cuff. However, if one person on each side would take the lead, it could be so much the better. We could decide to take out an airfield or other strategic targets, and get in about 3 terrific missions on each fly-night.
The leader would have at least 1 whole week to plan their mission and after the first mission is in the tank, they will have two full weeks to plan their next.
The lack of icons was not the hinderance we feared. It would be nice to have more AI aircraft in the air so the cover force has something to do with their bullets and time.
Thanks, Taipan, I thought it went very well and I appreciated your stepping up to the challenge of running the first mission to give us all a sense of how this can work and personally, I had a great time with it.
Gos


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Re: First AKA training mission on BOS
« Reply #1 on: March 02, 2019, 10:19:59 am »
 Gos it would be very hard to plan a mission that far in advance as coconuts campaign is a moving campaign meaning the targets change from mission to mission,you have to see what would be priority targets just before takeoff,also it would be better to just work on ground targets,,formation flying etc as there is very little in the the way of air to air AI opposition,for that we would need to go to TAW or other online servers,because the ai offers little challenge and opportunities to work wingman tactics 
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Re: First AKA training mission on BOS
« Reply #2 on: March 02, 2019, 02:02:28 pm »
I also agree with the observations Wiley made. It will be very hard to pre-plan or develop any type of a mission on Coconuts Dynamic Server as each sides objectives and targets need time to develop as both sides aircraft fly around and discover the various targets of opportunity. IE .... moving convoys, tanks, factories, supply storage facilities, dugout etc.

With that being said, about the only thing you MIGHT be able to pre-plan a mission for is a large scale attack on an enemy airfield.

The other concern is regarding the availabilty of all the aircraft that would be needed to make such a strike at our front line bases. Remember we are using the AKA Expert Dynamic Campaign server and I think Scorp has it set up with a limited supply of aircraft at the front line bases. The campaign is setup so that each pilot must move or ferry aircraft of his choice to the front line bases. Because of that reason, each AKA pilot would need to come up from the supply base on whatever side we decide we are going to be flying on.

This will make for long flights on the Kuban map, but it is do-able. Attacking an enemy airfield would also mean that enemy ai fighters (limited as they are) will come up to attack us, we will also have to overcome the AAA at the airfield itself and we will need to ID and destroy the various airfield targets. Hangers, Fuel Supply areas, Ammo Storage area, and Other Storage facilities.

Also, one other thing we need to consider is there is a potential chance for non-AKA human intervention on EITHER side as the current AKA Expert Server is open to the public. This could cause a wrinkle in any mission plan.

 
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Re: First AKA training mission on BOS
« Reply #3 on: March 02, 2019, 02:45:04 pm »
Thanks for the kind words Gos!.
With regards to planning I always look at the 6 P's.
Planning and Preparation Prevent Piss poor Performance.

So even if you can't have a detailed plan, I'm a firm believer in having some sort of plan, even if it's division assignments and a general idea of what to do and whos doing it.
When we fly the AKA Campaign, if nobody wishes to do the planning, I'd be happy to do so.
Keep in mind if we are flying an AKA Campaign, which is the goal, we only run the server once a week (as it stands now) so planning would be very desirable and possible.
This in turn will better prepare us for flying in other servers as a group for those who wish to do so.
A couple of points we should consider from our escapades last night.
If we fly as  a group we need to have one or two ac types in the group i.e P40's and A20's.  Not three or four different ac types unless a plan calls for it.
The reason being, formation flying will be a tad easier with regards to speed, maneuverability etc.
I also think we should use the AKA ops manual as a guide for airfield operations etc.  If we are all on the same page we will have less issues. (but that's my weird thinking)
If we all know how we should form up, we will be able to do so fairly quickly without several tours around the airfield.
Overall, it was a great evening and I had a lot of fun.
Thanks to everyone who showed up.
It was a pleasure!

Cheers

Tai



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Re: First AKA training mission on BOS
« Reply #4 on: March 02, 2019, 03:49:35 pm »
Greywolf stated:
"With that being said, about the only thing you MIGHT be able to pre-plan a mission for is a large scale attack on an enemy airfield."

OK! Greywolf gets most of it, I think. So, I'm not changing the intent of my original post!!
Attacking airfields, factories and supply caches takes a good deal of planning and organization, PLUS, it's easier to see if mission goals were accomplished. AND, they don't move!
We won't need to worry about targets of opportunity, unless we are returning from a strike and people still have some ordinance (or wish to save some if we happened to spot stuff on the way to the airfield target.)
Just saying.
I'm assuming Scorp is going to be asked to increase the AI aircraft and available aircraft for those without Boddenplatt.

Otherwise,,,,
never mind my prattle.

Gos
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Re: First AKA training mission on BOS
« Reply #5 on: March 02, 2019, 05:10:04 pm »
 S! Another thing to consider is Flight leaders,Element leaders and their wingmen,i would suggest as in real war that those with the most experience lead flights,we would need probably minimum of 2 depending on what the mission plan calls for, one to lead strike package and other to lead escort,you cant expext to run a strike in on targets without an escort in the online war servers and survive,we really need to work on this!!!,we did this years ago when forgotton skies was very big in 46"we few that broke away years ago after FS stopped and moved to flying COD in the big SOW wars have been doing this, we need to train up a bit as a large group flying together again if we want to be a force to be reckoned with again

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Re: First AKA training mission on BOS
« Reply #6 on: March 04, 2019, 05:26:03 pm »
In my bird-brained opinion, it would be really cool to have someone handle the mission planning when we fly Axis and another to handle it on the Allied side to help avoid burnout.

When piddling around with Grey and Wolf, Grey mentioned that with the Expert campaign running almost all the time, we should all consider coming online during the break period and moving aircraft forward to front bases. This will serve a few purposes, but most importantly, it will give us experience in handling the different planes as well as helping us learn to navigate the map.
Great idea, Greywolf. I'm in for that.

Grey, did you get a chance to consider leading the Axis missions?

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Re: First AKA training mission on BOS
« Reply #7 on: March 05, 2019, 05:20:39 pm »
After you left Gos, myself, Wolf, and Rage continued to piddle around and scouted out the map looking for potential target sites. We found quite a bit.So we could put together a few alternate strike missions to do after an strike on an enemy airfield.

As for leading an Axis mission occasionally Yes, I can volunteer to try it. I think as you mentioned earlier we need to have other guys in the squad step up and lead missions too. I'm not looking forward to making this a full time task.
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Re: First AKA training mission on BOS
« Reply #8 on: March 06, 2019, 03:29:45 pm »
 Disregard my last regarding planning based on the current campaign Dynamics are going to go kaput most likely when the map gets reset due to these new updates.
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Re: First AKA training mission on BOS
« Reply #9 on: March 07, 2019, 03:59:25 pm »
I guess that describes the problem with making campaign progress. Can't be done with upgrades appearing randomly.
Its always going to be there so we might as well find a way to deal with it.

First thing in dealing with it is to acknowledge that this problem will never go away.

So how do we maintain a campaign progress through these upgrades?
Are we screwed?
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Re: First AKA training mission on BOS
« Reply #10 on: March 08, 2019, 10:34:43 am »
I learned a couple things while hacking missions... with the mission editor... I can add aircraft to airfields...… but the rest of everything can be so freaking complicated,,, I am only guessing what I am doing...
so, when we get new aircraft, tanks, etc.. I can add those on my missions that I took and hacked...

so I suppose that new items can be added fast and then the mission saved as updated, but adding routes, times, and exceptions will be a more lengthy process...

I would propose that if there are groups of patches coming out very often, maybe just add important things first priority, like if someone buys and newly released object, aircraft, add those...
and then al the complicated things, take your time...
that was we can at least fly..... whether or not you decide if we count that mission to the campaign or not is up to you, but at least those that want to fly will come and fly. And thus not have to wait for a complicated update... to be done by the only 1, 2, or 3 people that can do complicated updates...

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Re: First AKA training mission on BOS
« Reply #11 on: March 16, 2019, 03:51:57 pm »
I can't see the other/enemy aircraft unless I am very close to them.... I guess 50% of us can see and the rest not so much,, so I had such a hard time I could not help cover like I wanted to last night... in DCS we can at least have dots....

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Re: First AKA training mission on BOS
« Reply #12 on: March 17, 2019, 03:18:17 pm »
S! Another thing to consider is Flight leaders,Element leaders and their wingmen,i would suggest as in real war that those with the most experience lead flights,we would need probably minimum of 2 depending on what the mission plan calls for, one to lead strike package and other to lead escort,you cant expext to run a strike in on targets without an escort in the online war servers and survive,we really need to work on this!!! we need to train up a bit as a large group flying together again if we want to be a force to be reckoned with again

Great stuff, Wiley!
We've been trying this the past couple missions. Perhaps you could join in and help us with the above input.
Looking forward to flying with you again.

Gos


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