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why is it that in combat Sims the P-51 Mustang is good but not great, but... but in real life it was suppose to be great? I am so confused, am I a crappy pilot? or is the modeling off in sims? I know it's easy to say I am crappy  :D .... so, go ahead, then give an answer that helps... thanx

these combat flight sims I refer to is both IL-2 and DCS.

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It's just a thought but I suspect the game builders are trying to allow some variations on reality in order to provide some equality to the plane models. In Ubi's case I suspect it's a bias toward the European aircraft that keeps the US planes from performing to their potential while allowing for superior performance of the Axis planes (take the Zero and Hellcat models for example). The makers of EAW and PAW had much more realistic performance parameters than either DCS or Ubisoft. But, those sims are now things of history and fewer people remember them at all. It seems that COD is a better set up for aircraft modeling, but I'll leave the final decision on that to those more enlightened about the actual performance envelopes when compared to the modeling in the game.
It's unfortunate that the HSFX modelers aren't more focused on accuracy of performance models than making more and more planes that are not likely to ever be flown in our campaigns.
I'm not going to even touch on DCS other than the brief mention above, as I'm not convinced they are aware of where they intend to go with their aircraft, campaigns and terrain. I hope they get together and develop a plan of action for their future, but at the present, I see them going the same route as MSFS.


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What made the P-51 an iconic fighter was that it had the range to escort bomber all the way to Berlin and back home.  It's job way to intercept enemy fighters that were attacking  the bombers.  The enemy fighters were flown by mostly inexperienced pilots.  I am sure that the pilots who flew the P-51 thought they were in the greatest fighter ever built and they were right for the job they were doing.
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Let’s not forget that the high point of the P51 in the war was after most of the experienced pilots on the German side were no longer flying for one reason or another (mainly dead).  So match a good plane, in overwhelming numbers as compared to the number of enemy they faced in a fight, against pilots that were just barely trained to FLY considering the low fuel problems and they died off at such a rate that they did not live long enough to develop the fighter pilot fighter skills. Allied pilots had major stick time under their belts before they saw combat.  For the German experts, when you fly with a bunch of green pilots, nobody is able to watch your back well etc. so they would get killed off as well making a bad situation even worse.  Don’t get me wrong, the P51 was a game changer BUT its success has to be taken in context to history to form an accurate picture of the results it achieved.
Can’t speak for the rest of the sims but in IL2 the later P51s if flown to its strengths is a tuff opponent.  With wing mounted 50s, if you hit at CONVERGANCE they are effective BUT that is more challenging to have success as compared to other gun platforms.  Me, I am a 109 pilot but I do like the P51 as a fighter aircraft in IL2.

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I was at an aircraft Museum and airport yesterday in Oregon (Tillamook)
http://www.tillamookair.com/
they had 2 migs, one a 17 at least one was flyable and mint.... I got a photo of it,, trying to get my daughter to get our photos up on our computers, will post...
the A-26 had been recently flown, lots of oil dripping from at least one engine...
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 The P51 was a well balanced very good fighter compared to any allied or axis prop AC of WW2 if you use a few points of performance parameters ,the P51 did everything well, not the best in every category but when combined into one platform was hard to beat  it had a top level speed as fast or faster than any axis prop bird from sea level to 40k,it had excellent level acceleration from slow cruse to top speed,had a good climb rate,exellent in the dive,very good roll rate 300mph and above and was one of only a very few AC that had a "combat flap" by that meaning you could drop to combat flap setting at ANY speed thus increasing turn rate significantly,not to mention the range factor,and it also must be said that its timing was spot on when its capabilities were needed most, the daylight raids by the heavys would have suffered much more if the 51 had not come of age at the right time,all in all the P51 was a very good fighter judged by any standards of the day,another thing to consider is that the merlin P51 was 30mph faster than the merlin Spitfire with both having the same merlin 61 engine,this says a lot of how clean aerodynamically that the 51 really was.

   
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